Updated: Proposition 8 Passes
Proposition 8 looks to have passed in California, writing discrimination into the state’s constitution. Needless to say, that is incredibly disappointing to many people (of which I am one). Gays and lesbians were told that, once again, they are second class citizens. It’s fine for gays and lesbians to pay their taxes, contribute to society, raise their children, and love their partners, but it’s not okay for those same people to have the protections, rights, and responsibilities that go with the word “married.” It’s apparently just fine to attack gay families. (Same-sex marriage bans were also enacted in two other states last night — Arizona and Florida. Arkansas enacted a ban on same-sex couples adopting children.)
It is fundamentally wrong to deny rights to a single group of people. I’m sure that, while same-sex marriage was defeated this year, it will be victorious in the end. Americans usually do the right thing. Make no mistake: This is the civil rights battle of our time (for those of us too young to remember the civil rights battles of the 1960s). Gay rights will win out in the end. They have to. History shows us that civil rights win in the end. Gavin Newsom was correct (in his idiotic speech that was used against gay marriage supporters) — it will happen.
The Proposition 8 supporters called for unity and healing in their victory press conference / speech / whatever you want to call it. There’s not much chance of that. You don’t get to take away rights from one specific group of people and then call for healing. It doesn’t work that way. You’ve slapped a group of people in the face and now you expect them to embrace you. Maybe some are able to forgive and are able to turn the other cheek. But some can’t, and won’t. Some won’t ever forget that rights were taken away. Some won’t forget that a majority of voters in four states attacked gay families. For that’s what it is — an attack. It’s unforgivable, in my book. So go take your calls for healing back to Utah or where ever it is you go. There won’t be any healing in California over this one.

Bob Knoke, of Mission Viejo, Amanda Stanfield, of Monrovia, Jim Domen, of Yorba Linda, and J.D. Gaddis, of Yorba Linda, celebrate returns for Proposition 8 at an Irvine hotel. (Rick Loomis / Los Angeles Times)
Update: I wanted to add this photo to show the unseemly reaction of the Proposition 8 supporters. These are the same people who have the audacity to celebrate in this way, after removing rights from a group of people, and then call for healing in the next breath. I completely understand the elation one feels after winning a hard-fought campaign. But I’d think that there would be some modicum of respect for the people whose lives were just changed. But no.
It’s simply amazing, really, the gall these people have. I’ve hesitated to call people who are against gay rights bigots. I think it’s more complex than that. But it’s hard for me to believe that there aren’t some bigoted thoughts in those people’s minds as they celebrate their victory, which came (again) at the expense of the rights of others. Simply breathtaking. Simply outrageous.

While I believe much of this propositions support comes from sexual preference biased (homophobic) individuals… I also believe that many of the governments legal issues of having no distinct line of separation between Homosexual and Heterosexual marriages is substantial. A ack of distinction between the (2) two types of marriage can cause serious loopholes and costs to the Government. Many of the marriage benefits provided to Heterosexual couples where intended to give incentive for reproduction to so more tax payers were produced quicker. While some non-productive couples could be considered free-loaders taking benefit from these governmental marriage “gifts”… the level of burden imposed by Homosexual couples taking tax benefits would be much greater. Any tax incentive for marriage generates strain on the national debt as “tax deductions” are used to circumvent taxation… w/o the original purpose of the deduction being considered ALL married couples can take advantage thus generating less tax revenue to fund nation wide programs. I support homosexual marriages, but they are just that. Domestic partnership should have all the necessary legal entitlements that can be attributed to a lasting mutual responsibility amongst 2 individuals… but should not have other incentives attached. I am for removal of all government tax breaks and other benefits associated with marriage in an effort to allow Homosexual and Heterosexual couples to have the same legal marriage classification as the cost of revising each statute on a Federal and State level that is related to marriage would be very costly… more-so than just invalidating them and re-establishing what the legal definition of marriage is. This must be done on a Federal level in a blanket fashion without regard to what State law deems within its jurisdiction.
Well, we’re going to have to look to the Courts again to help us. I know lawsuits are being filed today.
I feel the same way, Deanna. It’s sad. It’s a bittersweet day for me, as for many of us.
http://thebruceblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/05/the-election-is-bittersweet-for-gays-here-are-the-results/
And as I’ve said many times, we need an Abraham Lincoln to free the gays.
And yes, we need a gay Roe v. Wade on a Federal level.
I edited what I’d originally wrote. I was much more harsh toward the proponents of Prop 8. I’m quite angry about this one.
I’d heard about the lawsuits. I hope they’re resolved quickly, in gays’ favor.
You’re probably right about needing an Abraham Lincoln to free the gays. We need something. Perhaps with Democrats coming to power, something will change. But it will be far, far down the priority list and there will be a lot of opposition.
It’s funny, really — marriage is a conservative institution. You’d think conservatives would embrace it.
I think prop 8 could passes some other time. I think the problem was that neither of the presidential candidates support gay marriage, so there was no voice to say that gay marriage is OK.
I have known gays and transsexuals since I was little…don’t ask. I can say that the world isn’t going to end because a gay couple gets married. The fact that gay marriage was already allowed in California and people know that gay marriage isn’t the end of the world, and then Californians vote overwhelming against gay marriage proves that gays still have a long ways to go.
Even though I have many gay friends, I was kind of iffy on this issue, but they have convinced me. Either way, I don’t put a big priority on marriage so normally I wouldn’t care. But I think this could get passed eventually, just keep educating people and they will turn around. Gays should just keep making their voices heard like every other minority group and Americans will become more comfortable.
I am absolutely stunned at this hatred and intolerance. On the same day this country elected a black man as president some of the same voters chose to discriminate against another bloc of Americans. Unbelievable.
I don’t really understand why gay people think that the definition of marriage should be changed to allow them to use it?
If so many gay people are demanding so many rights, new anti-discrimination laws, etc, then why not one more? Why not request a legal definition that is more suited to the homosexual community? Some type of legal union. It’s not marriage.
I think maybe “legal union” would be the same as “civil unions”. I think civil unions should probably be the first step. I really dont care about marriages. They are just shows. Plus civil unions would be better because you get the same rights as straight couples. I think as long as you love the person your with, it shouldn’t even matter if you married, you dont have to be married to be with the one you love.
I have a gay friend whos been with his man for 10 years, since high school, they dont feel the need to get married. But, if straight couple can get married so should gay couples.
I was wondering…I heard Ellen got married when if first passes in California, so does that marriage hold or does their marriage license get taken away???
Sensico, it’s an open question right now. The courts will have to decide.